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Post Post subject: Steam-less installer for retail steam-hooked games?   
Posted: Monday, 26 Mar 2012, 10:42   
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Hi, I'm new here and thought I might get better help here.... .....about steam hooked games.... So, you see I stupidly bought a steam hooked game from a retailer and now it requires steam to be installed and to play the game! I don't want steam installed! I just want to play the game! Is there a universal steam-less installer for any steam hooked games? If not, can you tell me hoe to make my own? If there is, I still would like to know how to make my own though...just want to know how hard/long it'll take for myself to possibly make a duplicate version....

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Post Post subject: Re: Steam-less installer for retail steam-hooked games?   
Posted: Monday, 26 Mar 2012, 11:25   
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It depends from the game (usually if multi-player), but Steam might be required to play.

You can anyway usually install it without steam.
you can for instance use sisInstall ([u=http://cs.rin.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=52096]link[/u]) it will only extract the files, no crack, no steam emu (so u'll have to learn how to do it by yourself). but it's the only one supporting the new sis/csm/csd format as far as i know.

if it's a sis/sim/sid (old format) then maybe u'll prefer to use Phoenix (link) as it should install what's required to make the game run without steam.

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Post Post subject: Re: Steam-less installer for retail steam-hooked games?   
Posted: Monday, 26 Mar 2012, 12:18   
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It depends from the game (usually if multi-player), but Steam might be required to play.

You can anyway usually install it without steam.
you can for instance use sisInstall ([u=http://cs.rin.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=52096]link[/u]) it will only extract the files, no crack, no steam emu (so u'll have to learn how to do it by yourself). but it's the only one supporting the new sis/csm/csd format as far as i know.

if it's a sis/sim/sid (old format) then maybe u'll prefer to use Phoenix (link) as it should install what's required to make the game run without steam.

good luck


Well, most, if not all the games, I buy retail are usually single player, no multi-player, though I wouldn't mind LAN, but if it requires internet like all MMORPGs, then no - I don't usually play them.... I'm more of a single-player offline gamer....I just don't get at, why steam hook single player games?! if it's meant for offline single player, then have it it offline single-player....just leave single player games alone!

If it were MMORPGs or games that you need internet just to play multi-player(no LAN option in game menu for offline multi-playing...), then yes I would understand why it's steam hooked...

Hm, is there a way to make my own universal installer? I just don't like downloading viruses/malware that'll screw up my computer....I know all about that....experienced last time....really did screw up my computer....pretty much deleted all the exe files on a specific HDD in a specific folder - wow, didn't actually know viruses/malware can do that....! they're getting smarter.....

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Post Post subject: Re: Steam-less installer for retail steam-hooked games?   
Posted: Monday, 26 Mar 2012, 13:38   
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Yes you could create your own one.
It just requires time, where people already made good ones.

Have a look to the "release" section of this forum. you can trust those to be good quality and virus free.


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Post Post subject: Re: Steam-less installer for retail steam-hooked games?   
Posted: Monday, 26 Mar 2012, 15:40   
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Hm, okay - what'll I need if I were to make my own one? I suppose, obviously, I'll need some knowledge of programming....? what else? ::)

So, I need either Phoenix or sisinstall, yeah?

Cheers

-- Edit --

I seee....you're not willing to help me. Fine, I'll download that Phoenix installer and gonna scan it for any virus/malware. If I find anything in that rar file, I'm not going to like it....

Oh...what have we here: https://www.virustotal.com/file/a200485 ... /analysis/

Sounds uh quite interesting.....trying to force me to download something that's virus/malware infected! I'm better off making my own because I'll know what I've put in there.

Ha, good ones, my ass - maybe good but malware infected too!

-- Edit --

Welll, and even the exe file is infected! -_-
https://www.virustotal.com/file/4c9cb39 ... 332849570/


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Post Post subject: Re: Steam-less installer for retail steam-hooked games?   
Posted: Tuesday, 27 Mar 2012, 16:14   
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wow you are a fu*king noob then realy first of steamCooker won't give you a link that has virrusses on it , secondly this is a Steam Underground City where evryone shares programs and hacks etc of course the damm program is going to be detected as a virus since it is a THIRD PARTY TOOL and did you do any research on those "virusses" they have? they basicaly don't do anything since they don't exsit in the program! and i doubt you will make your own one , if you are here to accuse people for giving you a viurs then f*ckoff you were the one that came here and looked for help from this website .


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Post Post subject: Re: Steam-less installer for retail steam-hooked games?   
Posted: Tuesday, 27 Mar 2012, 16:37   
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razor8 and steamCooker are trusted developers. You, are a three post user who just joined. Have you ever heard of "False-Positive?"

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Post Post subject: Re: Steam-less installer for retail steam-hooked games?   
Posted: Tuesday, 27 Mar 2012, 19:06   
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I seee....you're not willing to help me

I think i helped you, I pointed you to the tools you need.
If u ask me if u need to know "some knowledge of programming" to make your own , then I believe i gave a good avise and you should definitly use those tools.

As i said, those are virus free, now you have the choice to trust me or not, but if u don't trust, then why wasting time posting here ? ...

Check the names of thoses detected "virus" : it's cause the exe is packed ... just an heuristic alert, doesn't mean it's a virus (of course it could be used to hide a virus or to make it less easy to disassemble/analyze) ... and also as pointed out, most tools here are hack tools, so of course they may look suspicious to antivirus...

One more time, the tools in the release section of this forum are coded by trusted members, they are tested and approved (not by me).
Of course there's always a risk... but then just install Steam, you'll see it's not that bad and it will prevent your form making nightmares at night ... ::P


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Post Post subject: Re: Steam-less installer for retail steam-hooked games?   
Posted: Tuesday, 27 Mar 2012, 20:26   
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pretty much deleted all the exe files on a specific HDD in a specific folder - wow, didn't actually know viruses/malware can do that....!


I read your username and all, but this still pretty surprises me.

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Post Post subject: Re: Steam-less installer for retail steam-hooked games?   
Posted: Tuesday, 27 Mar 2012, 23:28   
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You're a virus :ROFL:
$#NOOB#$ wrote:
bla bla bla...

Mate, I have a full PC virus, beginning STEAM, EA Maneger and other commercial bull*hit. Turn off AV and use Phoenix. Yeah, and shut up. ::P

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Post Post subject: Re: Steam-less installer for retail steam-hooked games?   
Posted: Wednesday, 28 Mar 2012, 12:44   
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Vrah2 wrote:
wow you are a fu*king noob then realy first of steamCooker won't give you a link that has virrusses on it , secondly this is a Steam Underground City where evryone shares programs and hacks etc of course the damm program is going to be detected as a virus since it is a THIRD PARTY TOOL and did you do any research on those "virusses" they have? they basicaly don't do anything since they don't exsit in the program! and i doubt you will make your own one , if you are here to accuse people for giving you a viurs then f*ckoff you were the one that came here and looked for help from this website .


Actually, steamCooker could, you never know when a person picks on a noob like me in these areas! :( I've been picked on alot, now I'm being more pro-active then before, thus I am very wary about custom made exe files that are made by other people....I am now more cautious then ever... :) It's always the noobs that get picked on! Never giving us the chance to talk.... :cry:

Hey! I didn't come here to acuse people of making virus/malware infected files, I just pointed out there was malware/virus on that file! I wanted to make it clear, that was all.

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razor8 and steamCooker are trusted developers. You, are a three post user who just joined. Have you ever heard of "False-Positive?"


Yes, I've heard of false positives before, but without proof that it is false, how can I trust it!? It may however be a false positive, but without me actually seeing proof, I can not say it is.... :roll: True, I just started out here, but how am i suppose to know those files are trusted and not gonna screw up my computer, I haven't been here as along as any of yous have...?

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One more time, the tools in the release section of this forum are coded by trusted members, they are tested and approved (not by me).
Of course there's always a risk... but then just install Steam, you'll see it's not that bad and it will prevent your form making nightmares at night ... ::P


...trusted members....? How do I know that....? I mean, I don't know them personally....
Hm, the risk would be getting infected with a virus/malware, right? Or is the risk that the program does not work...? Or both....?

I wouldn't mind having a nightmare in all this....I want to become a programmer myself, creating my own software, games, maybe even help some other people with programming if they're having trouble. Surely programming isn't that hard to do, is it?

Steam? Steam? What if I told you that I didn't have a permanent internet connection - meaning that I don't have internet at all? Like some other people who accidentally bought it without reading the fine print? Besides, I suppose all this was my fault - firstly buying the steam hooked game that I didn't read the fine print....and coming here as I thought I might learn something about a custom installer, that I hope to someday make myself.....

Anyway, I will try out that program of theirs. Lets see if this thing works as I had hoped.... So....in case it actually does happen, what are you going to say if I caught a virus/malware from this?

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I read your username and all, but this still pretty surprises me.


Of course! I'm a noob remember!? Didn't realize virus could do that....

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You're a virus :ROFL:


....shut-up....let me tell you how you started into all this; yes, everyone starts off as a noob in these areas, so if you're calling me a virus, then you're also calling you're self one too! :laughing:

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$#NOOB#$ wrote:
bla bla bla...

Mate, I have a full PC virus, beginning STEAM, EA Maneger and other commercial bull*hit. Turn off AV and use Phoenix. Yeah, and shut up. ::P

-_- Well I'd rather be safe then sorry, okay? ::P Don't want to make the same mistake as last time....


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Post Post subject: Re: Steam-less installer for retail steam-hooked games?   
Posted: Wednesday, 28 Mar 2012, 14:21   
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man, you came there ask for help ... at least try to trust people who you ask help, else what's the point ...
by "trusted", i meant trusted by all the members of this forum.

if you don't trust a tool, just install a virtual machine and try the tools there first, so at worse it will blow your VM...

now if you really want to start coding, then i would advise you to have a look to the developers forum section. but it seems u'll have much to learn and you'll may get discouraged fast, so i hope you are really motivated.

good luck ;;)

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what are you going to say if I caught a virus/malware from this?

That u got it from somewhere else ...

btw it's not cause you're a noob that you must act like one...


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Post Post subject: Re: Steam-less installer for retail steam-hooked games?   
Posted: Wednesday, 28 Mar 2012, 17:18   
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$#NOOB#$ wrote:
Hm, is there a way to make my own universal installer?
If you do your own tool, you can participate in my competition. Just click my signature picture for details. OK, ironically you can only win Steam games. :D But better than nothing.

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I just don't get at, why steam hook single player games?! if it's meant for offline single player, then have it it offline single-player....just leave single player games alone!
There are some reasons for developers to use Steam for single-player games like an achievement system, (sort of) DRM and, one of the important, patches. It is a lot easier for developers and customers to patch over Steam than patching with some self-made software and trying to reach everyone over several sites.
A paragon for using Steam features for a pure single-player game is Skyrim.
But I can really understand you why you don't want to have Steam. I'm just trying to explain what the reasons and benefits are.

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Posted: Wednesday, 28 Mar 2012, 20:34   
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steamCooker wrote:
man, you came there ask for help ... at least try to trust people who you ask help, else what's the point ...
by "trusted", i meant trusted by all the members of this forum.


Okay, I'll trust members here, only coz you're being nice to me...:mrgreen: -_-...unlike some other people here....-_-

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if you don't trust a tool, just install a virtual machine and try the tools there first, so at worse it will blow your VM...


Right, virtual machine - virtual pc right?

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now if you really want to start coding, then i would advise you to have a look to the developers forum section. but it seems u'll have much to learn and you'll may get discouraged fast, so i hope you are really motivated.


Whoa, alot is going on there.... so many posts to read, so little time....and on top of that, I have absolutely no idea to program! Though I know a bit, abit, about making games under game maker....that was back in 2009....Made a nice platform game....though still wasn't as advance as other people who made platform games in game maker... But that's got nothing to do with actually program things....that's just making a game from a program that's already been made....

Okay, so no noobs here? :D

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If you do your own tool, you can participate in my competition. Just click my signature picture for details. OK, ironically you can only win Steam games. :D But better than nothing.


Hmmmm, you got some motivators on you ::) Probably the person here who motivates other members into actually doing something worthwhile....actually very tempting, but as you know already - I'm no programmer.... :( ...maybe in the future once I get to know my way around programming....and have the time to do it also... :wink:

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There are some reasons for developers to use Steam for single-player games like an achievement system, (sort of) DRM and, one of the important, patches. It is a lot easier for developers and customers to patch over Steam than patching with some self-made software and trying to reach everyone over several sites.
A paragon for using Steam features for a pure single-player game is Skyrim.
But I can really understand you why you don't want to have Steam. I'm just trying to explain what the reasons and benefits are.


Yes, I know of achievements....they're like the only thing that strives single player games to be more interesting to be played by. Just like games for windows live - except that this doesn't require you to have internet connection while saving or playing which is good for me, I like it better than steam....But even better - if there were no drm in any games and in future ones...atleast that'll give me a break.... ::D


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Posted: Wednesday, 28 Mar 2012, 21:47   
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Right, virtual machine - virtual pc right?

I quite like VirtualBox from Oracle, but the choice is up to you.
It has partial D3D support, not enough to play but enough for making tests...

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Whoa, alot is going on there.... so many posts to read, so little time....and on top of that, I have absolutely no idea to program

Yep, as I expected. Now you see why i advised u to use those tools. :peace:


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