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Hm, interesting, I read up abit about both and neither of them seem to utilize the full hardware components of the host OS, why is that? Like say when you install use xp mode in win7, xp the guest os, only shows hardware components that are older than on host os which has a i7 processor, gtx580, 1tb hdd etc. XP only shows Pentium 2 as processor, a crappy gpu etc.?!

That's what I've been hearing, if that's true how can you possibly run newer games made in 2005 - present with those specs, especially highend games...!? It'll probably won't install or won't load or lag as hell...or all three...



Aye. I will use those tools already made, but I need still need to decide on a virtual machine program to use, preferably one that utilizes all hardware components of the host OS...or else what's the point in testing this is a virtual environment? Better install native OS then use virtual environment....

+ you'd still need to get compatible drivers for the guest OS too, wouldn't you? Or would generic one auto work without dedicated ones?

This place seems nice enough....I might, in future contribute to this website....

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none of them will give you the full 3D hardware power.
for instance, i could run TeamFortress 2 in VirtualBox, if i turl off all options, and still it wont run nice, as i said it's just ok for making tests.
I find it anyway very usefull or many other reasons, among them than i can run 2 or 3 steam instances with games running on each on a single physical computer so i can simulate a lan why coding my emulation stuff.

There's also sandboxie, it's quite popular, but i never used it. afaik, it's more an isolation solution than an virtualization software.

ps : for the record, as you are worrying much about exe, virtual box is opensource so u could check the code

Why not?



Hm, good luck with that...how'd you get TF2 to run off crappy hardware on guest OS?



So you can boot up 3 virtual computers under one host OS and make them LAN? Cool...if only all three of them used the full hardware power of host OS...how bad is it?



Hm, looks interesting....but sounds like it's more for testing actual programs under host OS, probably go into a virus/malware infected site and not worry about...hopefully if the sandboxie can keep it all in there, or else they spill out and you're screwed....yes, you're right, not really a virtualization software....



....i would read all, but seems a bit too advance for me... I should definitely do computer science at university for this kind of stuff....

Hmmmm, which program, comparing all, would utilize the most of host OS's hardware? Or atleast get as close or closer than others to hardware specifications? or are they all the same but just made by different peeople and programmed slightly differently for the changes in features....?

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Because it's a virtual machine which means it runs with virtual hardware. And atm virtual graphics cards are very slow.
Now you're wondering why they're slow and don't use the full hardware. Well, it's less taking commands and sending them directly to the hardware and more emulating the hardware itself with all the aspects. Only this way you can get the advantage of having a complete separate system inside your host OS.
Example: If a game starts with full-screen and different resolution inside your VM, the VM software cannot just send the commands directly to the graphics card because it would change the resolution of your host OS. It have to interpret and execute the commands in a way which doesn't affect your host OS without obstructing the game.

The other solution (passing most of the commands directly to the hardware while controlling and filtering the important ones) would be Sandboxie.

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I see. Thanks for the info...is there a way to minus that effect?

Sandboxie - you can't really install OS on it...tried it, well not actually, but I'd assume you'd have some reserved space to install a guest OS....however I suppose it would be pretty goof for just testing files/folders - you know open them with this if you think they're infected with a virus/malware - it keeps all in one memory spot. Hope when a virus/malware does escape, you can just click the cross button and all that just disappears as if nothing had happened...haven't yet tested with a files/folder that I know or don't know that has a virus/malware in it that a just waiting to be opened and freely do whatever they're intentions are....

Hm, maybe I should - just download some random keygen/crack from a well virus reputable website and see what happens....

I tested VirtualBox with my ME disc, didn't - actually couldn't even find an option to boot of my floppy disc drive! (yes the ME disc is not bootable of course...) Only good if disc is bootable, I'd say....

VirtualPC(or 2007 SP1 as they called it...) had the option to boot of my FDD, but when it came to using the format command, it didn't even format the drive! Just stood at 0% for 4 hrs! I gave up after that....how am I suppose to install windows with a unformatted drive?!

Now onto Phoenix - the steam-less installer, Okay - I tried it on Left4Dead 2....intro cinematic seemed to be in black and white for some reason....(it did at some point was speaking in some other language I couldn't understand and fixed that by not extracting the: Left4Dead french.ncf, Left4Dead german.ncf, Left4Dead spanish.ncf, and Left4Dead russian.ncf, files but left the rest.

Now when it comes to the load screen, it pops up a window saying: Engine Error - Could not load library client. Is there a reason for this? Because we slipped past steam and went directly to extracting these files?

I don't know....I'm going to try my Coj - TC one and see if the results are the same....

Cheers.

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afaik, u don't install a guest OS with sandboxie, it runs on the same os, and that's why u keep your hardware power, it just prevent the launched app to modify your host.

for virtualbox, i configure a winxp (to limit overhead of a too much consuming os) bootable install cd iso in the virtual cd, it boots on it so i can install the guest os on the dynamicaly allocated virtual drive i configured when i created the VM.
i have no floopy for a long time so i couldn't tell how to do it, but i just looked, on the storage tab, u can add a floppy controler ... with a floppy disk image, i don't know if u can map a physical one

for phoenix, i'll let someone else reply as i don't know

Not really. You can try to optimize the software as good as you can and you can use hardware features for getting more performance (common processors have special features just for virtualization). But it'll not solve the general performance problem of emulation. If you want to emulate something, you'll need much more power to get the same speed.
You misunderstood the concept of sandboxes. You cannot install a separate OS in Sandboxie. In fact, Sandboxie starts the programs in the same OS. There is no such separation like host and guest OS. That's what it makes so fast.
Sandboxie does the following: You start the software inside the sandbox so Sandboxie is between the software and the system. If the program tries to change something of the system (f.e. creating a new file, changing a registry entry) Sandboxie will capture it and save it separately inside its own files. The program cannot tell the difference because it gets an altered version of the system from Sandboxie.

The following picture shows it.
The upper part is how the programs inside the sandbox will see the system.
The lower part is how the system really is.



Sandboxie is great for trying some software out without messing up your system. It's also good if you want to use a demo which has all features for limited time. When the time is over, just reset the sandbox and it is like you have never used the program before.

But there is a security risk if you use Sandboxie. It is possible that a virus uses an exploit. That means it changes something of the system in a very very unusual way. And because it is unusual, it could happen that Sandboxie doesn't detect that. This is a minor but possible risk for the advance of getting full power from your system.

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Oh. hehe...



So you're host OS is XP? Need bootable discs and there's a way to map an FDD?



So all these guest OSs is best to be done on a very strong like server PC/MAC/LINUX?



Oh I get it - so you it actually allows the program to be executed in any way but kept inside the regions of SandBoxie. So it won't pop up some error saying can't access this part of the drive for a reason, or something like that. And when you unistall, it's the sames as uninstalling it via normal way?

SandBoxie's a trial!? Didn't see that....thought it was freeware....with not strings attached....

Okay, I did CoJ - TC and no executable game file was there! Only the folders: MD and Redist were there. files: Crashlog.cfg, games.ini, installscript.vdf and steam_appid.txt and no game file!!? How does that going to make the game playable if I can't even see a way to actually launch the game!?

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You can boot from a floppy in VirtualBox. It's enabled by default, and you can tie the virtual floppy drive to your real one. I haven't done it in a good while, but I think it goes like this: press F12 when the VM is POSTing to let you choose where to boot from. Go to "Devices" in the menu, and you'll find an option to load an image in the floppy drive, or use a physical one. Then you can press 'f' to force booting from it.



You can keep on using it after the "trial" expires. It'll only show a nag screen once a day, and disable some non-vital functions, like forcing programs to run sandboxed based on their filename. I used this way for a long time when a certain version was released and no cracks were around.

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Nothing about FDDs under devices...
Yeah, it's slowly creeping its self up showing some a window saying you must register to do this and that....if only it was complete freeware....

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...I don't think SandBoxie is working.....atleast not for nlite....I installed it using SandBoxie and the files/folders created for nlite were not actually created! How is this going to make the program work!? If this happens to all programs, then it's not really worth it....

Oh and for ME, I installed it without using any virtual programs and it works! Except that I think it's a little still too old for the computer I installed it to....Damn MS-DOS compatibility mode for drives....can't seem to get rid of that...I need a older motherboard to install this to...maybe one without SATA ports. Yes, too bad no one sells old motherboards anymore.... Maybe the program doesn't like old OSs...tis a shame really....Hm, I wander if 2k will work....hehe...

For Phoenix, any ideas to get this working? Anyone?

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did u try to post in the phoenix thread ?

The purpose of Sandboxie is that no files will be created inside your system. Instead, Sandboxie will create the files inside its own folders and files where it'll save all the stuff. If you start an installation inside Sandboxie, you save to C:\Program Files and you see that no files are created in C:\Program Files, that means Sandboxie works just fine.
Now you have to start your program over Sandboxie because the files are inside the sandbox only. I think you can find your files over the menu View -> Files and Folders.
Next time, please read the help topics like the getting started tutorial or the usage manual first.

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...do you mean this one:http://cs.rin.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=51995&sid=797dc0de6f3fcc94b92a2e3484fc8639?


Of course, I read a bit but not thorough enough before posting that. Thanks, I will read more thorough next time.

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Thanks. I really appreciate it. You know, there are more than enough people out there who don't even think about doing something. Instead, they ask before they search. If they gonna search.

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or is it somewhere else? If it's that one, then give me a time to read the 28 pages of posts...then if I can't find an answer, I'll post there.

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