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Author:  RessourectoR [ Sunday, 10 Aug 2008, 23:55 ]
Post subject:  Re: Russia vs Georgia Conflict.
I'm sure a lot of people will disagree with you JOOP, but I might lock this thread to prevent disputes.
Author:  JOOP !™ [ Monday, 11 Aug 2008, 00:02 ]
Post subject:  Re: Russia vs Georgia Conflict.
Georgia has attacked capital Tshenvali! At night when all city dwellers slept. The Georgian army has severely made even all to the ground and all who was in sleeping city. Schools, kindergartens, hospitals. At bombardment the Georgian army applied heavy artillery and installations volleys fire "Grad" (these are systems of the Russian manufacture intended for destruction of all on greater areas and territories)

Russia and the Russian management any more do not trust words and promises of Georgia and their president. Russia will finish this war is not dependent that suspect the West and that promises and the Georgian party speaks. Late already fire to stop, it is time to be responsible for the crimes. The today's president of Georgia should be in prison. And I it would hang up on a tree as a dog in general... All who will not combine the weapon in Georgia should be crushed and destroyed. :8=)

Russia has entered the armies into Georgia only after that, and it the second day of events in Tskhinvali therefore Russia simply could not begin the first.

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RessourectoR wrote:
I'm sure a lot of people will disagree with you JOOP, but I might lock this thread to prevent disputes.


It is a policy of Russia, the consent of the West and NATO is not necessary for us Ress! If you will close a theme, it awakes to mean your shame for EC and a recognition of an inconsistency of politicians EC. Those who knows an essence of an event in Ossetia me will support, and who builds versions and trusts lie CNN - to spit on all of them to us.

Genocide

Tom wrote:
But remember. South Ossetia is Georgian!!!!!!!! The Georgian Army was only capturing back their OWN are from rebels.

If that was the same case in example Russia. Russians would also do what the Georgian did. And those Russki peace force is a type of occupation of Georgian, an EU/NATO friendly country, and i would see it on a attack on the free world.

Russia is ruled by communists and other evil force.



Russia never destroyed whole people on the ground or on another's! Georgia destroys whole people from the criminal consent of the USA. Your words full bosh, I think you do not understand that speak. And at all you do not know true. To your data of NATO nobody appointed the international gendarme and Russia to you not Iraq and not Serbia!

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Who to us with a sword will come, from a sword and will be lost!
Alexander Nevsky. 1242.
Author:  Tom [ Monday, 11 Aug 2008, 01:46 ]
Post subject:  Re: Russia vs Georgia Conflict.
You are completly brainwashed by those communist leders of yours...

Georgian started sending armed force to restore order in the region.
Russians started the war between two countrys by bombing civilian targets and send their army over the boarder.


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Do you really think only CNN reports this?

Medias whole over the world write about russians attacking Georgia.

Also, EU/NATO/USA, and many others support Georgia, not Russia who keeps on lieing about why and what they are doing.
Author:  JOOP !™ [ Monday, 11 Aug 2008, 02:03 ]
Post subject:  Re: Russia vs Georgia Conflict.
To you it is Bush by phone has told or Saakashvili? At what here communists in general them in Russia remains a little. Though Norway always obeyed America, for you normal reaction as for the Norwegian... Show me whence you has taken, what Russia bombs peace citizens, and I shall show you as it is done with the Georgian armies want? For you the destroyed city of Ossetia and 2000 victims are lie of communists? If so that you the full layman in this question.
How many classes at school you have finished? :8=)

You know, what in Japan from propagation of the USA of youth of 60 % consider, what a nuclear bomb to Hiroshima and Nagasaki have dumped the USSR? Is not present? And so know! And bombs nuclear were dumped by Americans both to Hiroshima, and to Nagasaki. Here to you the truth on Americanly... It is a pity to me you... :ROFL:

Tom wrote:
Also, EU/NATO/USA, and many others support Georgia, not Russia who keeps on lieing about why and what they are doing.

Pay attention, irrespective of this "support" awakes on ours, instead of on yours.
I do not think, that you take the information only from news CNN. But I see, that your sources and deceive you giving the information extremely not full and with distortions. But also here anything surprising is not present. Norway the country of NATO and is dependent on the USA. :crazy-pilot:

Tom Esteem it, here there is an English version :pooh:
Author:  Tom [ Monday, 11 Aug 2008, 03:09 ]
Post subject:  Re: Russia vs Georgia Conflict.
Russia thinks they can do whatever they want.

did you know Russaia was almost daily flaying bombplane over northern norway.
did you know its was a russian nuclear sub in norwegian water.
did you know its an russian ship leaking chemicals stranded put side a norwegian town.

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Russia, the former sovjetunion is afraid. They trys to show power. They are scared people see that the country is corrupted.

But as you see, someone fights back.

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I think my and JOOP posts are a little offtopic. Enyone else care to fill us inn with some new menings who are not russian fanatics or "pro NATO" as he trys to discribe me =)
Author:  JOOP !™ [ Monday, 11 Aug 2008, 03:26 ]
Post subject:  Re: Russia vs Georgia Conflict.
Russia and never was afraid of anybody! It is all world us is afraid =) Excuse. I have understood nothing from your post. Try to write without mistakes.

ps: Here also there is an offtopic :roll:

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Author:  Tom [ Monday, 11 Aug 2008, 04:55 ]
Post subject:  Re: Russia vs Georgia Conflict.
you cannot accus me for misstake, you also have some of them in your message ::P

Yes, im telling you that Russia is afraid.

Also, attacking wile OL starts is a hell of a cover for this russian "protection force" to "save" russians people.
Author:  RessourectoR [ Monday, 11 Aug 2008, 13:34 ]
Post subject:  Re: Russia vs Georgia Conflict.
I don't want to say too much to this, but

- western european countries are not the USA's toys. That's indeed russian propaganda. Of course, America and west europe share religions, values and living habits, but that does NOT mean they do what the USA wants. You can clearly see that in Iraq and Afganistan.
Although I have to admit, west europe depends on the USA economically, which also means the USA has a certain influence.

- I'm not pro-american. But what Russia does is NOT for helping those that want independence in South Ossetia. Instead, they want to crush Georgia so that the NATO does not get influence in that area.

- It is important to understand that having similar values (democracy, freedom..) does not mean one country obeys another one.

- Too much patriotism is stupid. It just creates wars and conflicts like this one.


I believe that the news in countries where there is 'freedom of speech' are worth more than in countries that are ruled by dictators or similar oppressing forces.
And no, I'm not brainwashed or manipulated and I can say that with confidence! Neither do I like the USA's "world police" attitude, nor the russian arrogance.

I think that it's very unlikely that photos and videos from reporters of many countries from all over the world are manipulated by anyone. That is not possible. But it is possible that they are manipulated in a single country where they are completely different.
Author:  ChrisTX [ Monday, 11 Aug 2008, 17:07 ]
Post subject:  Re: Russia vs Georgia Conflict.
Well, dudes keep the following things in mind:
No (impossible) source of news is independent. Russia shows the Russian view & the western world a neutral to a bit pro-american view.
This thread is really stupid, since people claim things they just think or assume without being really informed.

JOOP, it is right; Georgia bombarded the capital of South Ossieta.
And the war was started by Ossietan separatists and Georgian troops, correct too (the Russian troops were there as peacekeepers, and ten soldiers or so died in the bombardement).
But you're wrong in many points and so is Tom.

Neither Georgia or Russia are right in this conflict.
A part of Ossieta is Russian, and there was a referendum in 2006 showing that almost the totality of the Ossietans wants to be independent. (same opinion among Abkhazia).
But this won't happen.
Georgia took those areas with force long time ago, and those areas aren't habited by many Georgians. So you can't say them bomb themselves. But saying Russia is the independent freedom force is fully wrong too.

Do you guys think this is a battle between Ossieta and Georgia? No, it isn't.
Ossieta (Russian and Georgian part) isn't independent because both Russia and Georgia with their key ally the US have highly interests in that area. (the US needs it for troop basements against the Iran, Russia for oil pipelines).
Georgia lost more and more the control over it, since Russia tried to gain control there silently. That caused a diplomatic conflict already.
Russia provoked this war by giving out passports to the people there etc. and Georgia did so by not caring about those areas (they are economically independent, but badly developed, so the people suffer).

Georgia lost more and more the control since 90% of the Ossietians have Russian passports now. The separatists only caused a culmination which made Georgia to send troops in there to not loose the area to Russia silently. Russia thought/hoped that Georgia would be too afraid of taking this step.

Since the separatist hid in the capital, they bombarded it.

So, all in all, neither Georgia/US nor Russia are right. The correct step would be to make Ossieta independent, but neither Georgia's nor Russia's interests can cover this. It's not a war about who is right and who is wrong, but about land & money.
Author:  Tom [ Monday, 11 Aug 2008, 17:15 ]
Post subject:  Re: Russia vs Georgia Conflict.
And who is going to run that state.

If everyone who did like the people in South Ossieta, The world would have been filld up with small "shit" countries, with no real state leader or money... - Or a dictator would have taken controll of it.
Author:  ChrisTX [ Monday, 11 Aug 2008, 17:23 ]
Post subject:  Re: Russia vs Georgia Conflict.
Tom wrote:
And who is going to run that state.

If everyone who did like the people in South Ossieta, The world would have been filld up with small "shit" countries, with no real state leader or money... - Or a dictator would have taken controll of it.

Ehm...you remember what I said above? Read before you state.

South Ossieta and Abkhazia do have presidents, though the international community doesn't accept them.
But if they'd be independent those leaders could be presidents.
However, against dictatorship, the NATO for example could help the new states in their first months/years to stabilize and prevent that.

And about money: As I said before, Georgia doesn't give a shit about them, so probably not even the taxes the South Ossietans pay aren't spend in South Ossieta, but in the army of Georgia.

So if they would be independent, they would have more money than they have at the moment.
Author:  ~Myfistus_Clarvetta~ [ Monday, 11 Aug 2008, 18:28 ]
Post subject:  Re: Russia vs Georgia Conflict.
The question I ask is: will this eventually die down and be forgotten or will this this conflict spark other issues? This is a delicate time. Fuel prices are high, its olympics china's governement is trying to regain some of its prestige through the Olympics, the issues with the civil rights remains unresolved, the us is instigating against china, and bush is making stupid remarks on television condeming russia.
Author:  RBPFC1 [ Monday, 11 Aug 2008, 18:32 ]
Post subject:  Re: Russia vs Georgia Conflict.
Kick their asses
Author:  Mr.Deviance [ Monday, 11 Aug 2008, 18:59 ]
Post subject:  Re: Russia vs Georgia Conflict.
ChrisTX, I have read your posts and all I see in them are statistics based on the first 2 days of this war, described as if the war is over and now you are talking of the good and bad things of it.
May I add that the war is happening right now, as we speak here and it's actually much worse than it was until now.
What you said in your previous post does not reflect the reality of the situation.
Russia, right now is overdoing it with their attacks and they refuse to retreat and sign peace even though the E.U and USA are asking them to do it. USA is warning Russia about diplomatic relations between them after this war and Russia is actually criticising USA back, for helping Georgia get their Iraq army to retun home to fight the russians back.
Author:  -wX- | Gamba [ Tuesday, 12 Aug 2008, 01:53 ]
Post subject:  Re: Russia vs Georgia Conflict.
Lolz. It is funny how Georgia is begging help from USA.

Georgians are going about it the wrong way.

They shoudn't go the "We helped you in Iraq" way, it won't work. They don't care.

Instead, use the "We have oil! Yes, I swear!" method. You'll get a callback in no time.

But seriously, Georgia is the aggressor here. They started the hostilities. Now they cry and try to make out like the victim because Russia is kicking their butt. Tough - next time you'll learn your lesson won't you?
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