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Post Post subject: Re: Dragon Age: Inquisition   
Posted: Wednesday, 03 Dec 2014, 22:09   
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konstantinxy wrote:
There's only two folders there, Save and screenshots, and the save directory contains the save games and 2 files called profileoptions and profileoptions_profile


Hmm... I doubt it's anything to do with profile options.

Is the Save directory like in DA:O, where each save has its own directory, with several files?


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Post Post subject: Re: Dragon Age: Inquisition   
Posted: Wednesday, 03 Dec 2014, 22:09   
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alana2020 wrote:
konstantinxy wrote:
There's only two folders there, Save and screenshots, and the save directory contains the save games and 2 files called profileoptions and profileoptions_profile

Also to answer the question that was edited in: It loads the default world state in offline mode


Hmm... I doubt it's anything to do with profile options.

Is the Save directory like in DA:O, where each save has its own directory, with several files?


No, it's just in the save folder


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Post Post subject: Re: Dragon Age: Inquisition   
Posted: Wednesday, 03 Dec 2014, 22:09   
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konstantinxy wrote:
No, it's just in the save folder


Damn. That complicates things slightly: in practical terms, this means someone would have to actually design your character for you, then save the game at the earliest possible place and send that file over. *sigh* Not great, but...


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Post Post subject: Re: Dragon Age: Inquisition   
Posted: Wednesday, 03 Dec 2014, 22:15   
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alana2020 wrote:
sie wrote:
EDIT: found them

C:\Users\*user name*\Documents\BioWare\Dragon Age Inquisition\Save

Looks like the Keep stuff is incorporated into the saves because there are no separate files.


Can you be more specific? What exactly does the Save directory contain? Which files? Maybe it's not in the Save directory but somewhere else in the Documents/BioWare/Inquisition folder?

sie wrote:
It is a pretty lengthy process going through all of the previous games decisions and creating a world state, I doubt you will find someone willing to go trough it for everyone who wants it done.


You wouldn't need someone else to do the Keep for you, though. Anyone can use it to set up a world state; all they have to do then is share that world state with someone else via Origins. That person would then start the game, import the world state, and (I guess, if there really isn't a separate file) create a character, then e-mail the save file back.

It's work, but far less work than actually having to go through the Keep for every person who needs it.

-- Edit --

sie: If you'd be willing to indulge me in another experiment? :)

Let's say you import a world state, create a character, save a game, etc. Then you shut down Origins, and start a new game with a different character. Is the world state still the one you got from the Keep, or the default version? Because if it's the first, that means the Keep data must be in a separate file; if it goes to the default, then the information's definitely integrated into the save itself.

EDIT 2: One more thing! The Keep FAQ does seem to suggest that there is some kind of transfer involved:

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Game Slot: This is the file that the Keep will send to Dragon Age: Inquisition for starting a new game.


Ladies and gentlemen: we need to locate that file. :)



Exactly all what you need is share your world state that you created via origin and the owner of a legit copy can create the save for you..just tell them what class you want, name of your char and some minor details on how they look like.((this only if the game create an autosave after your character creation, if the game only creates it the second you import the world state save then we get to pick it up from there and go on with creating our chars))..all this ofcourse if we will get a crack or not..


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Post Post subject: Re: Dragon Age: Inquisition   
Posted: Wednesday, 03 Dec 2014, 22:18   
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alana2020 wrote:
konstantinxy wrote:
No, it's just in the save folder


Damn. That complicates things slightly: in practical terms, this means someone would have to actually design your character for you, then save the game at the earliest possible place and send that file over. *sigh* Not great, but...


The first time the game autosaves is right after character creation which happens after the first cutscene in the game.

Also here's a savegame from that point if someone wants to tinker around with it


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Post Post subject: Re: Dragon Age: Inquisition   
Posted: Wednesday, 03 Dec 2014, 22:38   
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alana2020 wrote:
sie wrote:
EDIT: found them

C:\Users\*user name*\Documents\BioWare\Dragon Age Inquisition\Save

Looks like the Keep stuff is incorporated into the saves because there are no separate files.


Can you be more specific? What exactly does the Save directory contain? Which files? Maybe it's not in the Save directory but somewhere else in the Documents/BioWare/Inquisition folder?

sie wrote:
It is a pretty lengthy process going through all of the previous games decisions and creating a world state, I doubt you will find someone willing to go trough it for everyone who wants it done.


You wouldn't need someone else to do the Keep for you, though. Anyone can use it to set up a world state; all they have to do then is share that world state with someone else via Origins. That person would then start the game, import the world state, and (I guess, if there really isn't a separate file) create a character, then e-mail the save file back.

It's work, but far less work than actually having to go through the Keep for every person who needs it.


This is what is in the folder, just my saves and profile file for the games settings.

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You can't create a world state on the keep unless you own the game though, so unless you own the game you will need someone to create the world state with all the decision you need. You don't need a world state to start a new game though, you only need it if you want to add the decisions you made in 1+2 into Inquisition.

I just tried making a new world state, backing up then clearing my saves and then starting a new game.
It didn't create a file in the Save folder so it either saves the Keep world state somewhere else or incorparates it into your first save and then any saves you make after that.

EDIT: Just searched my entire PC for a file or folder called Game Slot and found nothing.

EDIT 2: The Game Slot must be in an online profile that is part of your Keep account, so all files for that must be server side.
So it looks like when the game saves it writes the info from the keep into your save files on your PC.


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Post Post subject: Re: Dragon Age: Inquisition   
Posted: Wednesday, 03 Dec 2014, 22:49   
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ok, so let's wait and see. I'm sure there will be some kind of emulator/editor for this after a couple of days. but even without that it's ok for me. I played DA:O about 5-6 years ago and I can't even remember my choices clearly. I also uninstalled DAII half finished because it was just a piece of crap. so it's still completely worth to play it for free :twisted:


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Post Post subject: Re: Dragon Age: Inquisition   
Posted: Wednesday, 03 Dec 2014, 23:03   
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-- Edit --

Crazy thought: could the Keep data be hidden in that ProfileOptions file? It's a 1MB file, that's pretty large for just settings...

konstantinxy wrote:
The first time the game autosaves is right after character creation which happens after the first cutscene in the game.


Well, that's good - you could always watch the first cutscene in a default run, then restart the game with the autosave.

sie wrote:
You can't create a world state on the keep unless you own the game though, so unless you own the game you will need someone to create the world state with all the decision you need.


Not true, I don't own the game and I already have two different world states all set up and ready to go. :) What I wouldn't be able to do would be to download those states to a cracked version of the game; instead I'd need to share them with someone who has a legit version, and essentially have them create the autosaves for me.

sie wrote:
You don't need a world state to start a new game though, you only need it if you want to add the decisions you made in 1+2 into Inquisition.


I get that, but speaking only for myself, I just wouldn't play Inquisition at all in that case. The decisions may not have a lot of impact on how DA:I plays out, but even the small things matter (or, more specifically, things that contradict what I did).

sie wrote:
I just tried making a new world state, backing up then clearing my saves and then starting a new game.
It didn't create a file in the Save folder so it either saves the Keep world state somewhere else or incorparates it into your first save and then any saves you make after that.

EDIT: Just searched my entire PC for a file or folder called Game Slot and found nothing.

EDIT 2: The Game Slot must be in an online profile that is part of your Keep account, so all files for that must be server side.
So it looks like when the game saves it writes the info from the keep into your save files on your PC.


That does seem to be the case.

Well, first of all, thank you very much for your help and insight! :)

This would seem to confirm that the Keep data is integrated into every save that belongs to a particular character. On the one hand, this means that asking for help from someone with a legit copy means they would have to create your character for you and then send you the autosave.

On the other, this means that if a DA:I save editor ever comes out, that editor might be able to actually manipulate all the Keep variables, since all that information would have to be stored in each and every save file...


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Post Post subject: Re: Dragon Age: Inquisition   
Posted: Wednesday, 03 Dec 2014, 23:21   
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alana2020 wrote:
-- Edit --

Crazy thought: could the Keep data be hidden in that ProfileOptions file? It's a 1MB file, that's pretty large for just settings...

konstantinxy wrote:
The first time the game autosaves is right after character creation which happens after the first cutscene in the game.


Well, that's good - you could always watch the first cutscene in a default run, then restart the game with the autosave.

sie wrote:
You can't create a world state on the keep unless you own the game though, so unless you own the game you will need someone to create the world state with all the decision you need.


Not true, I don't own the game and I already have two different world states all set up and ready to go. :) What I wouldn't be able to do would be to download those states to a cracked version of the game; instead I'd need to share them with someone who has a legit version, and essentially have them create the autosaves for me.

sie wrote:
You don't need a world state to start a new game though, you only need it if you want to add the decisions you made in 1+2 into Inquisition.


I get that, but speaking only for myself, I just wouldn't play Inquisition at all in that case. The decisions may not have a lot of impact on how DA:I plays out, but even the small things matter (or, more specifically, things that contradict what I did).

sie wrote:
I just tried making a new world state, backing up then clearing my saves and then starting a new game.
It didn't create a file in the Save folder so it either saves the Keep world state somewhere else or incorparates it into your first save and then any saves you make after that.

EDIT: Just searched my entire PC for a file or folder called Game Slot and found nothing.

EDIT 2: The Game Slot must be in an online profile that is part of your Keep account, so all files for that must be server side.
So it looks like when the game saves it writes the info from the keep into your save files on your PC.


That does seem to be the case.

Well, first of all, thank you very much for your help and insight! :)

This would seem to confirm that the Keep data is integrated into every save that belongs to a particular character. On the one hand, this means that asking for help from someone with a legit copy means they would have to create your character for you and then send you the autosave.

On the other, this means that if a DA:I save editor ever comes out, that editor might be able to actually manipulate all the Keep variables, since all that information would have to be stored in each and every save file...



as i mentioned before we will need someone with legit copy to give us the first autosave for us and ask kindly to create a char look for us ((this is something the editor can do but if not i dont create a complicated character look just long hair and a beard and blue eyes and bam i have my char so this will work for me at least, the question though is where to find this brave legit copy owner who will do this?))


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Post Post subject: Re: Dragon Age: Inquisition   
Posted: Wednesday, 03 Dec 2014, 23:31   
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UPDATE: I think my hunch may have panned out: there's a tech support thread where someone complains about problems with importing Keep data and is told to delete ProfileOptions, then re-import. ProfileOptions (the 1 MB file) just might be the location of the Keep data.

If that's true, then you don't need AutoSaves at all - just put the ProfileOptions containing your world state into the Documents/BioWare/Inquisition folder and you're good to go. Well, in theory, anyway. Not sure how you'd test that...


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Post Post subject: Re: Dragon Age: Inquisition   
Posted: Wednesday, 03 Dec 2014, 23:34   
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alana2020 wrote:
UPDATE: I think my hunch may have panned out: there's a tech support thread where someone complains about problems with importing Keep data and is told to delete ProfileOptions, then re-import. ProfileOptions (the 1 MB file) just might be the location of the Keep data.

If that's true, then you don't need AutoSaves at all - just put the ProfileOptions containing your world state into the Documents/BioWare/Inquisition folder and you're good to go. Well, in theory, anyway. Not sure how you'd test that...


You'd still need a save game since the game would load the default world state when you start a new game


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Post Post subject: Re: Dragon Age: Inquisition   
Posted: Wednesday, 03 Dec 2014, 23:45   
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konstantinxy wrote:
You'd still need a save game since the game would load the default world state when you start a new game


Not necessarily. If the game reads ProfileOptions during your run in order to bring in world state decisions, all you'd have to do is start a new game with the default state, quit at the first autosave, then overwrite ProfileOptions with the one that contains your Keep data. Then you go back and load the autosave.

Again, this is just guesswork on my part, but I think that might be how it works...


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Post Post subject: Re: Dragon Age: Inquisition   
Posted: Wednesday, 03 Dec 2014, 23:52   
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Went through the full thread (p1-79) and found multiple downloads for the deluxe version...Aren't there any updates for this game?


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Post Post subject: Re: Dragon Age: Inquisition   
Posted: Thursday, 04 Dec 2014, 00:00   
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alana2020 wrote:
konstantinxy wrote:
You'd still need a save game since the game would load the default world state when you start a new game


Not necessarily. If the game reads ProfileOptions during your run in order to bring in world state decisions, all you'd have to do is start a new game with the default state, quit at the first autosave, then overwrite ProfileOptions with the one that contains your Keep data. Then you go back and load the autosave.

Again, this is just guesswork on my part, but I think that might be how it works...


I doubt it works like that since every save has it's own world state and deleting or changing the profileoptions file has zero impact on saves as far as I can tell. So even if the world state is saved into the profileoptions file it's just there temporarily before creating the save.


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Post Post subject: Re: Dragon Age: Inquisition   
Posted: Thursday, 04 Dec 2014, 00:08   
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konstantinxy wrote:
I doubt it works like that since every save has it's own world state and deleting or changing the profileoptions file has zero impact on saves as far as I can tell. So even if the world state is saved into the profileoptions file it's just there temporarily before creating the save.


Hmm. Good point.

Guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. I don't know if I'd feel super-good with letting someone else design my Inquisitor's looks for me, but if I have to choose between that and my world state, I'll go with the world state...

I suppose if this sort of "autosave trading" becomes necessary, we can always use screenshots from the character creators to guide others in recreating the look?


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