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Would you ever leave the community?
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Author:  b00t [ Tuesday, 13 Oct 2009, 18:01 ]
Post subject:  Would you ever leave the community?
A simple question.

Now from my personal stay here, I've seen users both coming and going away, so I'm interested in what the current active members here think and how they see RIN as a community. Of course, it's natural that you lose interest in time, because everything changes and not everyone is ready to make a transition with all the latest new gadgets, technology and Steam cracks. That's how I personally feel at the moment. To be honest, I don't even have time to play Steam games or use Steam at all! So what's keeping me here? I honestly don't know, but for some reason I'm not willing to give up the forum. Something is making me stay. Perhaps it's the fact that visiting has became part of my daily routine or that I'm just an idiot, who can't find better ways to use his time. Whatever the case, I still enjoy posting here (although not as much as I used to, you can see that I'm not as active as I was and some members can easily fill my role here with all their help in the Main Forum, which I really appreciate and as I said, this forum wouldn't be the same without them) and doing my job as a moderator. The forum is fairly calm at present, but that can always change. That's why I'm wondering. If something really bad happens to this forum, like the whole database being deleted or just your account and some interesting and helpful posts you made. Would you bother to register again and come back? Or would you simply forget it and move on?
Author:  hegyak [ Tuesday, 13 Oct 2009, 18:21 ]
Post subject:  Re: Would you ever leave the community?
I don't know. If my account and all my posts were lost, then a lot of good posts would be lost. I know I have given quite a lot of updates/fixes over my time here. Would I come back? Hell yea. I can't give up on this place.

If the whole forum went down? I would try my best to help rebuild. I mean where else could we go? Pacman's forums? Not likely. SteamLess? I may go there if cs.rin.ru is permanently dead. SteamLess' forum has been helpful to me. I got Half-Life Source from there. Thank god they had it! (Sorry about the plug).
Author:  best_matrix07 [ Tuesday, 13 Oct 2009, 18:55 ]
Post subject:  Re: Would you ever leave the community?
idk why i still stay here...maybe the cs.rin.ru drug ? also became a routin for me to visit every day the forum
Author:  Source_engine [ Tuesday, 13 Oct 2009, 19:04 ]
Post subject:  Re: Would you ever leave the community?
I like RIN :mrgreen:
Mostly I'm here to test stuff and use it,and of course help out in any way I can :)
I don't care if my registry gets fucked up,I'm still going to leech around here.And do what I'm doing now ^^
Author:  NightArck [ Tuesday, 13 Oct 2009, 19:08 ]
Post subject:  Re: Would you ever leave the community?
well i said it once a while ago, but i guess it wont hurt saying it again.
the community here is like a rare thing i found, regardless of its once in while chronic drama sessions (which are entertaining thought) this community is more awesome then most the others I've paid a visit to.

finding a normal community, for me, is a rare thing.
the majority of forums i knew (and still know), other then RIN, were (and still are) full of retards, troll's, spammers and everything of that sort you can name.
so when i found RIN, i found an awesome Steam Cracking scene along with an awesome community running it, therefore i decided to stay.
even thought at the beginning (after learning a thing or two) i was posting at the main forums helping others and doing what i can to provide stuff. i stopped eventually because of the same reason you did b00t, others could provide more help since i begun loosing time over other things.

but yet, i still stay here and come every day to see what fun things are going on and what interesting things are shown.
guess that's why i stay, even thought i too have noticed it became less from what it used to be, its still an awesome place.
so if the forum crashed, and the entire database was permanently lost, i'd still come back and start helping where necessary.
Author:  Steve Jobs [ Tuesday, 13 Oct 2009, 19:22 ]
Post subject:  Re: Would you ever leave the community?
Well I love the forum and visit every 15 minutes but I can't say that it has anything to do with the community. What makes me stay here is the "ideology".
Author:  RessourectoR [ Tuesday, 13 Oct 2009, 19:30 ]
Post subject:  Re: Would you ever leave the community?
If this forum were ever wiped out by like, "acts of nature" or "work of the devil", I'd like to forget and move on, but instead I would do all I can to bring it back. I mean, I do have backups, but they wouldn't help without a server.
My situation is a lot like yours. I barely play games nowadays, and without any access on this server, my motivation is at zero at the moment.
I have a massive, massive amount of ideas and already thought through ideas again and again. Realizing them is a whole different thing. There's nothing that makes me say "damn, I want to spend weeks on RIN stuff again". I've done that, but in the end, not enough people are interested in this and I don't see more than a handful of people feel motivated to make things better.
And it's not about skills. It's about the determination and time (and working server!) you need to spend on content (tutorials, wiki articles, restructuring, rules rewriting, filtering bad threads from all sections), careful consideration of your options in general, spotting needs or useless things..
I have spent hours alone just looking at RIN, only imagining what kind of improvements are necessary, how they could be pulled off, how they would look, what should be avoided and considered, pros and cons, applicability, often also extremely small details. But in the end, reality is that when I wanted to look at the code for something and try things, I get reminded of the fact that I simply can't upload any changes and don't know when I can again. Frankly, people, that demotivated and demotivates me completely to do anything at all.
And I have seen it in the past - a lot of times when I had spend time on something new, it was barely used/appreciated by 3 people at max/not noticeable or mostly, didn't have the influence on community activity that I hoped for. That developes a sense of "why am I even doing this anymore, I could do something less frustrating and senseless". I know exactly what needs to be done here, but the time when I would spend my entire holidays to do it all alone are over. Simply, what we are missing are more motivated people. Motivated people motivate others. At least I am motivated by.. motivated people. Makes me go like "aha, someone actually cares, they deserve my dedication". Too often have I thought "if I update and announce this and that, people will see there are things going on and will be around again" - doesn't happen. And then fags come and tell me that if I just use the most fancy software in the world and dump everything even remotely dated, that would bring greatness all over. No thanks, seen that, tried that. Whining is easy, forum old, full of disorganized information, confusing, noobs, russians, bla bla bla. Well excuse me, even I have a life. It's impossible to fix this forum single handed. I'd still be doing lots of stuff here if it weren't for unacceptable server condition and owner behaviour, andmost importantly, A LOT of things would have been done already. In 2007, my motivation was endless, I was so determined to work my ass off here. But more than 13 months of shitty begging and nothing happening are making even me feeling that it's just wasted effort :|
I know this rant is completely out of place, but this needed to be said. I also know that something else other than magical, infinite motivation and dedication coming from the staff isn't exactly motivating either, but to be honest, I'm done with carrying that weight. An admin maintains a forum, but the users make it up. In the past, RIN didn't really have any admin, but people still managed to keep things running even if someone left or went on vacation or anything. I don't have this feeling at all, nowadays. I mean what would happen if PJG and Kajanis, for example, died in a car accident? Who'd do that hell of a SCS job? Single dedicated AND "willing" user $x? No, he'd need to be made moderator. Oops.
Disclaimer: This goes to all the people that complained about things that are bad here, behind my back. Don't feel insulted if you think that you help a lot and that my judgement and perception are false (for example, everyone that just posted before me is a valueable member). Instead, consider the 90,000 others who it might apply to.

About losing posts, I have lost around several hundred posts once. They float in a recovery-thread somewhere in the archives, out of contexts. That sucked.

Sorry for blowing the thread out of propotion, b00t.

Damn, I really wish the magic to return! The realization of the promise that we'd get a new server would be a great start for that, too..
Author:  best_matrix07 [ Tuesday, 13 Oct 2009, 19:38 ]
Post subject:  Re: Would you ever leave the community?
even if i lose all my post i will come back here...even if my ip gets banned i will use a proxy an come back again...i just love this fucking comunity

@RessourectoR :
sorry but i am not going to read your post
Author:  RessourectoR [ Tuesday, 13 Oct 2009, 19:40 ]
Post subject:  Re: Would you ever leave the community?
Well then I thank you for proving my point.
Author:  Source_engine [ Tuesday, 13 Oct 2009, 19:42 ]
Post subject:  Re: Would you ever leave the community?
I'll resume it shortly
Spoiler
It's just Ress whining about the past :lol:

Ress: +1 :ROFL:

EDIT: LMAO
Author:  RessourectoR [ Tuesday, 13 Oct 2009, 19:43 ]
Post subject:  Re: Would you ever leave the community?
Thanks for proving my point again! You make it easy for me.

Edit: I'm actually quite an idiot to think that those who my post really concerns would ever read a long post in the first place. :D :evil:
Author:  NightArck [ Tuesday, 13 Oct 2009, 21:50 ]
Post subject:  Re: Would you ever leave the community?
13 mouths, holy shit, i didn't think you were that frustrated with the server.
i'd go Apeshit if that happened with my site.
i wish i could help, i'd share hosting with RIN if it only wasn't for the legal crap.

p.s
im not sure RessR but i think the guys were sarcastic (im bad with sarcasm thought).
Author:  hegyak [ Tuesday, 13 Oct 2009, 21:51 ]
Post subject:  Re: Would you ever leave the community?
RessourectoR
I did read the whole post. You red text name means administrator. More important then the green of moderators.

I don't care what noobs say. You have been here for quite a long time, you know this forum quite well from both the frontend that everyone uses to the backend where changes are made. Who are they to come in here and tell you what to do?
Author:  Source_engine [ Tuesday, 13 Oct 2009, 21:55 ]
Post subject:  Re: Would you ever leave the community?
Quote:
sorry but i am not going to read your post
Of course,who has 5 minutes to spend reading a wall of text anyway...
Ress I really know what you're saying-attitude like this discourages me from making handy tutorials and sometimes giving good straight answers D:
Author:  {Darkness} [ Tuesday, 13 Oct 2009, 22:00 ]
Post subject:  Re: Would you ever leave the community?
Actually it's almost the same for me, i'm not really interested by steam anymore and i play games only a few times in a week.
But even if i don't post as much as i used to some times ago i guess that i'll still visit cs.rin.ru in the future because there is a bunch of members that i truly appreciate in here and it's also a way for me to improve my english that realy need more practice.

ex: It took me almost 5 minutes to read and understand the previous post from Resr..
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