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| Author: | b00t [ Wednesday, 03 Aug 2011, 19:52 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Imperium |
What's wrong with Facebook? Sure, it's a retard infested dump, mostly. But that doesn't mean the actual site and its features are bad. If that's what you were referring to. As for Google, I have no real complaints. But then again, I only use their search engine and an account for YouTube. |
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| Author: | .Rar [ Wednesday, 03 Aug 2011, 21:57 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Imperium |
On a general note, I dislike the tracking crap most sites seem to have nowadays. As it's been said, Google, Facebook and Twitter are just about everywhere, you practically can't go to a site without seeing like, tweet or +1 buttons these days. Then there's tracking cookies. Spend a few minutes on the Internet and you'll probably already have multiple unique IDs used to record which sites you visit and what stuff you're into, often made intentionally difficult to remove. If you have a Google+, Facebook or Twitter account (which I don't), even better for them, because they can add to what they already have. Sure, you can block tracking or opt-out of it, but that's not how it should be. And then there's data remanence. When you delete an e-mail or something in your Facebook, it actually remains there, invisible to you, but ready to be brought back to life by the powers that be, if necessary. I've replaced Google search with Scroogle, which has no cookies nor ads. When I use their translator, it's behind a proxy and on a private tab. YouTube must sadly be used with my real IP because streaming video using a proxy is impractical, although any of those video downloaders can be used to somewhat limit the amount of data they can record. Call me paranoid or whatever you want, but that's the stuff I hate about the Internet. You wouldn't want someone to stalk you and take note of everything you do when you go out, so why should it be different online? RessourectoR wrote: that other project that I always forget the name of. Diaspora, maybe? Quote: Does anyone know a good email provider that doesn't force me to use webmail, that has encryption and respects privacy? .. It appears GMX has POP access with optional SSL. I don't know about the IP header, however. I personally use FastMail and a Hotmail account I've had for years. FM may not have cool perks like POP3 or aliases for their free service, but it does the job for me. Actually, I almost don't use e-mail, so anything that can send and receive messages and store a decent amount of them is probably OK. |
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| Author: | Steve Jobs [ Wednesday, 03 Aug 2011, 22:50 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Imperium |
Wow, some of you people suck big time. |
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| Author: | tony_almeida [ Wednesday, 03 Aug 2011, 23:00 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Imperium |
Google is the best compared to alternatives, mate. Microsoft, Yahoo and Facebook are much way worse than Google. |
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| Author: | RessourectoR [ Wednesday, 03 Aug 2011, 23:01 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Imperium |
Muhammad `I'm Hard´ Bruce Lee wrote: Wow, some of you people suck big time. In that case, "no u" sums up my reply to a hypothetical/expected reply of yours to this discussion quite nicely.
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| Author: | hegyak [ Wednesday, 03 Aug 2011, 23:02 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Imperium |
I have a Facebook account. It knows my name and who's in my family. That's it. I don't tell it my plans or actions. |
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| Author: | shmelle [ Wednesday, 03 Aug 2011, 23:04 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Imperium |
![]() Message to all social networking haters out there: ![]() It is ok not to be a member of some social networking sites - if you think it's not for you. However it is not OK to hate. And definitely NOT OK to call us (who attend those social networking sites) different names. Such as Mr.Deviance few posts above, when I thanked him. |
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| Author: | hegyak [ Wednesday, 03 Aug 2011, 23:16 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Imperium |
shmelle I am not against facebook personally, BUT I can NOT condone the actions of Zynga media. Play any of their games (Farmville, Mafia Wars, ect.) then they have your personal info and then they sell it. |
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| Author: | shmelle [ Wednesday, 03 Aug 2011, 23:44 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Imperium |
hegyak I don't have any application whatsoever on my account. I just use the site for basic social networking. |
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| Author: | .Rar [ Wednesday, 03 Aug 2011, 23:52 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Imperium |
hegyak wrote: I have a Facebook account. It knows my name and who's in my family. That's it. I don't tell it my plans or actions. shmelle wrote: hegyak I don't have any application whatsoever on my account. I just use the site for basic social networking. My problem with Facebook is that they encourage people to post every detail about themselves and their lives, which works pretty well since most of them aren't as careful as you two. It's like a Big Brother members willingly build upload by upload. I actually had an account for a while back in 2009, which I made to see what all the fuss was about, but ended up "deleting" it. |
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| Author: | shmelle [ Thursday, 04 Aug 2011, 00:02 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Imperium |
Whenever I sign in to facebook, my home page presents me some pics of hot "girls i might want to add to my friends". That's pretty cool |
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| Author: | ChrisTX [ Thursday, 04 Aug 2011, 00:26 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Imperium |
shmelle wrote: Mr.Deviance wrote: As far as I am concerned, only faggots use social sites like Google+ and Facebook to actually stay in touch or find their mates or relatives. Gee, thanks. Zomg, I like this where's the +1 or like button here? b00t wrote: What's wrong with Facebook? Sure, it's a retard infested dump, mostly. But that doesn't mean the actual site and its features are bad. If that's what you were referring to. Privacy, mainly. Plus it's simply pretty uh to see how some people there got > 150 friends and add random others because, hey I've seen you once, so we're like uhm friends, rite? The site itself is aids, which their privacy policy only makes worse. But mainly that the site is aids with LIKE buttons fucking everywhere! tony_almeida wrote: Google is the best compared to alternatives, mate. Microsoft, Yahoo and Facebook are much way worse than Google. Why is that, if I may ask? As for Microsoft and Yahoo, they do not sell statistics (which Goolge does, and which is their #1 source of income. No, surprisingly, it's not the ads, that's only #2) shmelle wrote: Whenever I sign in to facebook, my home page presents me some pics of hot "girls i might want to add to my friends" hookers. That's pretty cool Fixed that for you. .Rar wrote: Sure, you can block tracking or opt-out of it, but that's not how it should be. Go to NAI, opt out. http://www.networkadvertising.org/managing/opt_out.asp .Rar wrote: And then there's data remanence. When you delete an e-mail or something in your Facebook, it actually remains there, invisible to you, but ready to be brought back to life by the powers that be, if necessary. Bawawawawa.... From GMail's TOS (you can be sure FB has similar policies or some, I haven't got it though, so I am not famliar with it's ToS): Quote: 11. Content license from you 11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services. 11.2 You agree that this license includes a right for Google to make such Content available to other companies, organizations or individuals with whom Google has relationships for the provision of syndicated services, and to use such Content in connection with the provision of those services. 11.3 You understand that Google, in performing the required technical steps to provide the Services to our users, may (a) transmit or distribute your Content over various public networks and in various media; and (b) make such changes to your Content as are necessary to conform and adapt that Content to the technical requirements of connecting networks, devices, services or media. You agree that this license shall permit Google to take these actions. 11.4 You confirm and warrant to Google that you have all the rights, power and authority necessary to grant the above license. .Rar wrote: I've replaced Google search with Scroogle, which has no cookies nor ads. When I use their translator, it's behind a proxy and on a private tab. YouTube must sadly be used with my real IP because streaming video using a proxy is impractical, although any of those video downloaders can be used to somewhat limit the amount of data they can record. PARANOIA. Also, YouTube behind a proxy is perfectly fine as long as it's not a public proxy. .Rar wrote: Diaspora, maybe? Oh spare me, please. Diaspora is riddled with security holes in its innermost design. .Rar wrote: It appears GMX has POP access with optional SSL. I don't know about the IP header, however. I personally use FastMail and a Hotmail account I've had for years. FM may not have cool perks like POP3 or aliases for their free service, but it does the job for me. Actually, I almost don't use e-mail, so anything that can send and receive messages and store a decent amount of them is probably OK. GMX rifk. Unfortunately GMX tends to remind you that your personal data has to be accurate as well as it sends you unblockable GMX Member and GMX News mails amongst being riddled with ads all over. Storage is pretty limited and the spam filter is horrible. RessourectoR wrote: Unfortunately, speaking of technical features, GMail is the best free mailing service. Says who? Live has by far more users than GMail does. Also, there's Yahoo with a very big amount of users. I seriously would want to know in what manners GMail is better than Live, so you can say that? RessourectoR wrote: Your IP is not in the header, you can receive and send email with your desktop client, encrypted if you like, and so on. All other services I've used either don't have much encryption, don't have POP3 or put your freaking IP in the header. Live and Yahoo both can do. RessourectoR wrote: Does anyone know a good email provider that doesn't force me to use webmail, that has encryption and respects privacy? .. It should be clear, that these 3 offer the best service. If you're really paranoid, you got two options, a.) use lavabit which was made exclusively for paranoidos or b.) host it yourself. |
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| Author: | Steve Jobs [ Thursday, 04 Aug 2011, 00:31 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Imperium |
RessourectoR wrote: AlicanC wrote: Wow, some of you people suck big time. In that case, "no u" sums up my reply to a hypothetical/expected reply of yours to this discussion quite nicely. ![]() No, really, I can't believe how insecure some people are, always feeling used and developing hate over stuff that most people don't give a crap about. |
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| Author: | ChrisTX [ Thursday, 04 Aug 2011, 00:57 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Imperium |
Muhammad `I'm Hard´ Bruce Lee wrote: No, really, I can't believe how insecure some people are, always feeling used and developing hate over stuff that most people don't give a crap about. It is indeed a philosophical question. You can clearly evade Google - which I also do - but the question is why should you. Should you care whether X knows Y about you? Whereas X could be Google or even a state. What does it hurt you, if Google has a cookie that redirects to a profile of search queries from you, associated with maybe what else. If they just use it to classify you and render ads that apply specifically to you, it doesn't hurt, does it? Personally, I think this whole paranoia is overdone. If you don't know they have your data, it doesn't hurt you either, right? I mean, there's no way to know who knows what about you so there can be only paranoia. That's also why I think it is more or less paranoid to fear a loss of privacy everywhere. Still, because 'most people' do not care, it does not mean I do not have to care. |
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| Author: | .Rar [ Thursday, 04 Aug 2011, 01:08 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Google Imperium |
ChrisTX wrote: Go to NAI, opt out. http://www.networkadvertising.org/managing/opt_out.asp Thanks for the link, will have a look! Quote: Bawawawawa.... From GMail's TOS (you can be sure FB has similar policies or some, I haven't got it though, so I am not famliar with it's ToS): Yes, indeed Facebook has something similar on its terms of service, where whatever you post becomes their property to do as they please and so on. I said "Facebook" in my comment, but on a more general note the vast majority of sites do that, i.e. not actually permanently deleting things. I hate it when a site I no longer wish to belong to has no option to delete your account Quote: PARANOIA. And proud ![]() Quote: Also, YouTube behind a proxy is perfectly fine as long as it's not a public proxy. Yes, that's what I'm talking about. Public proxies will be too slow to stream videos at an acceptable rate. Paid VPNs and private proxies are fine, but I don't have access to those. Quote: Unfortunately GMX tends to remind you that your personal data has to be accurate Do they actually check that? I remember that back in the early 00s, GMX was open to everyone, then it became for German, Austrian and Swiss users only. My father wanted a backup account for some reason, so he used a proxy from Germany and some details taken from an online directory, and that worked fine. I have no idea of how it is now, but until at least a few years ago he indeed received those e-mails asking you to renew your personal information. Changing a couple of details did the trick. They never closed any of his accounts. |
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