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This belongs in the off topic section.

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yea thought of that but i didnt see tha i was in the main forum...
hmmm no more of this stuff for me

I really don't see why there is so much anti-Steam sentiment around here. Sure, it was incomplete when it was released to the public, but it functions absolutely fine now (if a bit slow sometimes). Please don't bash Valve - it doesn't make sense to be negative towards the company that created all these great games for you to play (or most of them anyway) in the first place, heck, this site is all about CS. You can't dedicate a whole forum to these games with people desperate to play and then go and say Valve sucks.

We are not stating that Valve sucks in particular.

But steam is garbage.

Resources on your pc, If you have a 56k you can seriously forget about it.

Steam could have been great, but they have not made that effort.

So before you start to make an I LOVE VALVE effort. Make sure you play and test their things thoroughly.

Go back to steampowered. -_-*

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Hello !?!? Where have you been ?? Apperantly not on this planet !!!

In general lines, Steam can be great but the company that develops/operates it is crap! The following is a list of issues which VALVe refuses to address that refers to their Steam client or other Steam related issues and therefor will never be fixed or otherwise being delt with. A majority of issues or answers are remainders from the time peroid when Steam was still in beta and answers in which legit users are simply being shipped off with or even being lied to.

1) Friends

After sixteen months since Steam left beta stages, Friends is unreliable at best and will remain unreliable. Even Microsoft didn't take sixteen months or longer to fix major issues with the first release of their Messenger program and/or system, yet it's still being advertised as a fully working feature. I fear that it will take another sixteen months before the feature can be considered 'stable' if not scrapped. The current tendancy is that all support inqueries are being refered to a page in Steam's support section in which the community is being told that it is still in improvement. The chat client in Emporio's current version of the cracked client doesn't work yet, but I estimate that it will sooner be stable then VALVe's own legitimate version.

2) Online/Offline modes

Altough promised by VALVe, offline mode was introduced somewhere between six months to a year after it was being mentioned and now that we have the option for over six months, it's worthless at best since there isn't an option in which the user can choose to run his client in either online or offline mode.

It can be circumvented by either pulling the cord or configure additional hard- or software to deny steam.exe access to the internet, but the lack of such option and thus forcing the user to use other means to circumvent this, can be considered as a 'lack of proper programming and strategy skills'. Emporio's Non-Steam and other versions of the client automaticly comes with such an option whenever its user starts up his version of the program.

3) Content servers

Not directly related to the Steam program, but VALVe refuses to to strongfully watch content servers. Currently, there are too many people that face with one or more problems that points directly towards a content server. Messages like "Game is unavailable" or "The server is too busy to handle your request" should simply not be happening. Granted, there are issues that are beyond VALVe's control, but in some cases the server lacks the nessecery capacity to handle issued requests. There are content servers that reach their capacity quite easelly without anything major happening.

These issues with the content servers doesn't happen with any of the Non-Steam releases made by Emporio, Vengeance or any other person/group that has released a VALVe title. Those versions (or cracks or whatever you like to call them) are versions that work, unlike any legitimate version released through Steam by VALVe for a majority of users that are still unable to play either Half-Life 2 or any other game. VALVe is refusing to anything about the problem that in most cases is due to their own network rather then the Steam user himself (or herself).

4) Company/customers relations & acknowledgements of user problems

Even now, with so many problems unaddressed, VALVe refuses to communicate with its userbase in a proper fashion or any fashion at all. Questions and submitted support requests are either ignored or entirely wrongfully answered by a so-called "support employee". I've suggested on their own operated forums in many occasions that VALVe would do a lot better in public viewings if they were to communicate a bit more with its customers and userbase on their own operated forums. We don't have to know every detail, but a little more information on what is planned next and an acknowledgements of certain issues that the customer is facing from VALVe will defintly place them in a different light then currently the matter is. I fear that it is a lie that legitimate users are being shipped off with the statement "All support queries are being delt with . . ."

For a time, I was under the assumption that it might improve a little since Waldo posted a stickied thread on the Steam forums in which he reveals some information that originated from DougV, but it's been clear that it was a one-time incident only since no follow-ups or no new messages have been posted. Therefor, I can only conclude that VALVe have decided to go into silent mode again and leave their userbase/customers in the dark on certain matters.

Then there are people who most likely point out to Steam's news page. There are many news entries on how good some magazines believe Half-Life 2 is and some sites on which you can vote for "Game of the year", but real issues aren't covered there. I for one have never seen a news post regarding the Securom issue, or that Half-Life 2 became official gold (as Chris Bokitch once told the Steam community that such news would also be posted on Steam's offical page, which means that for the Nth time (I lost count), Steam users have been lied to by its developer) or the whole database glitch which resulted in multiple Steam users ending up with "AKS Warrior" instead of their regular name in Friends (when it was working) and also found themselves banned from VAC secured servers when simultaniously VAC dropped some massive bannings onto cheater's accounts. Who is to say that the whole 'glitch' wasn't part of some idiotic scheme ?? At least not VALVe, since every thread that delt with this has been locked and 'deleted' out of public viewings and no official statement about the 'glitch' was given. For all we know it might've been a scheme to gain some additional money from the Steam user so that they are able to play on VAC secured servers again. A dollar is a dollar and every dollar that comes in can be considerd as "profit" . . .

The whole issue was later acknowleged by Waldo as "an oversight", but such oversights should not happen and must not happen. VALVe's current position on giving out news is either a) too late or b) not at all or c) only when there is no escape for them and that major sites/magazines begins with spreading like some sites and/or magazines has done with the current offline issue. VALVe really needs to learn that news about Steam isn't only positive posts about Half-Life 2 or Steam updates or anything down that line. Also issues that are reported by the community like the AKS Warrior and Securom incident and now the whole offline issue should also be posted on the news page, not on their forums alone and in all cases too late or only when they have to.

5) Blueshift

Unlike earlier mentioning and an entry in their support database, VALVe is not going to release Blueshift through their Steam system. Their excuse about "engine incompabilities" is a greater lie then the statements that were made by O.J Simpson and former president Bill Clinton. The reason why their statement in this matter doesn't hold, is because of both Condition Zero and Half-Life 2. Condition Zero uses a modified version of the 'Half-Life' engine and Half-Life 2 uses an entirely different engine (just like the already announced "Pirates of the burning sea").

If you were to interpreted VALVe's statement on Blueshift, then it would mean that all games that are being utilised by Steam are all based on the original Half-Life code, engine or whatever people might call it. As I already pointed out, Half-Life 2 uses an entiry different engine then the original Half-Life so how can it happen that both games work ??

I hereby state that VALVe doesn't want to release Blueshift through their Steam system. A Source port of the game like Half-Life might happen, but I wouldn't attach any value to their statements about this. It's also safe to say the community requests to update both Team Fortress Classic and Opposing Force will also never happen . . .

6) VAC

Despite of what people may believe and/or earlier mentioned communications with VALVe (if they exist), their VAC system won't recieve any updates anymore nor will their Source engine recieve an anti-cheat agent created by VALVe.

The reason for this (and there are many), is that they gave up months ago because they realised that they are ill equiped to effectivly combat cheaters at the same operating level as Cheating-Death and (until recently) Punkbuster. They don't want the community to know they have, so they let their outdated system running to keep the appearance that it actually does something. In other words: they have decided to continue to run the VAC system but unattended. VAC simply runs but nothing is being done to maintain it, as in updating its cheat detection method and such. VALVe doesn't and won't announce it, since it will mean that:


a) VALVe will be confirming that they are ill equiped to effectivly combat cheaters and cheatwriters.
b) It will be a sign towards the cheating community, for many (obvious) reasons.
Occasionally, the system will catch a cheater but that cheater is being caught with either an older or a less sophisticated cheat (read: plain stupid or dumbest cheat). It's safe to say that VALVe hasn't updated VAC eversince the whole April 1st incident, some might say late August/early September . . .

Another thing that points out in VALVe unwillingness to update VAC is money. Once there is money involved, then they will do something about it within a week or so. Take for example those 20.000 accounts that have been disabled by people who attempted to steal HL2. Cheaters doesn't bring money to or take a high amount of money from VALVe and account theft does (has been confirmed by VALVe in posting about burning all officelights for half a day), so VALVe chooses to combat the latter, also because the latter is easy to do. Just compare some records and the rest is known history. Combatting a twelve year old cheat writer has been proven a complete impossebility for a programming team with years of "experience". Legit players however, are still stuck with cheaters flooding every "secured" server if they are able to play the game in the first place. If they're not, then they'll get an error (or multiple errors) that VALVe simply doesn't want to address. Why should they ?? They aleady have your fifty bucks (or more if you were stupid enough to buy the silver/gold/CE package(s)) and there hardly isn't a way to get your money back . . .

7) The handling of critisism on VALVe's own message board

If you are a bit critical ... then don't bother going to to VALVe's own Steam forums. VALVe only allows the so-called "fanboys" to post on their Steam forums with "VALVe is wonderfull, Steam is great" like postings. Any word of criticism posted on the Steam forums about VALVe, Steam or anything else that might place them in a negative aspect or involve them otherwise will result in a combination of the following:


1) Either VALVe or their appointed moderators will simply close the thread that contains the critisised issue with no comment to back up their decission
2) They decide to 'delete' the thread so that it isn't available to public anymore
3) The criticiser is banned by VALVe or its appointed moderators
4) They allow the person who criticised one or more aspects or issues to be flamed by its fan boys
I think it's safe to say that a parallel can be drawn between VALVe's behaviour and the second world war. In both cases, a sophisticated propaganda machine was created and in VALVe's case, that machine is specificly designed and targeted to place Steam and/or VALVe in an artificial positive aspect. One of the ways of achieving this artificial aspect is by removing all critised posts and/or argumented statments from their forums, whether or not they hold any value rather then risking a direct confrontation. Also, the earlier called "fan boys" immidiatly notify VALVe if they detect a single word of critisism within a post before they decide single handly to flame this person, which is endorsed by VALVe. It's a crude comparisasion, but many people who tried to voice their opinion on the Steam forums will agree with this statement.

However, VALVe does allow critisism but only to a level in which it doesn't conflict their views of how critisism must be presented and what information is contained within that critisism and both are limited to say the least, basicly none what so ever. There is, off couse, the issue of a "privatly owned forum" which cannot be denied by either me or anyone else but to go so far to 'nuke' every form of critisism ?? If I didn't know any better, I were to think that VALVe has either a Nazi, a dictators or whatever twisted view of how the world works these days.

Currently, there are two pieces of evidence to support my claim:

1) The artificial positive aspect as I mentioned earlier
2) VALVe has allowed a member to register on their forums with the username "Adolf"
Especially #2 cleary indicates of Nazi thinking or sympathetism, because which forum allows anyone to register with the name "Adolf", neo-nazi or right-wing extremist boards not counted . . .

As for the numerous "fanboys". It's clear to say that they have allowed themselves to be completely brainwashed and that all traces of any personality has been erased. It's grown so out of proportion that it can even be called a sekt, a very dangerous sekt with VALVe's Nazi-like influences if I might add. Think about it. If you say something bad about a sekt as a former member or an outsider, they all would defend themselves with statements that is not true what you are saying or that you "are lost from the path" (or anything similair down that line) or something else, but it is always you who is at fault, not them. Over at the Steam forums, if you critise one or more things (or place certain questionmarks at what VALVe is doing with Steam) and/or you ask a question why people are getting a "game is unavailable" or similair message, those fanboys will immediatly flame you without responding contently on your question and/or problemor they will state that you are simply "to stupid to use Steam" or they will state that your connection that doesn't work properly. They will never say that it is Steam itself that is causing these errors, it is always you or something at your end, not Steam and/or VALVe . . .

It's not fanboy this or fanboy that that is at work over there. There are a lot of people who haven't been indocterated yet and they will say that it is something at VALVe's end that causes these problems, but unfortunately their comments are just as flamed by the fanboys as yours would be and VALVe simply allows it to happen. Why ?? I wish I could tell you. The most likely answer would be because of the status they are 'recieving' by the fanboys as any leader or other important person within a sekt gets. All praise and no sign or anything negative that might damage them, because all negative messages are either being deleted by VALVe's deciples (read: moderators) or flamed under by their fanboys . . .

If Dirtie still believes that Steam is great, then he is certainly mistaken and should go to the Steamforums instead . . .

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Take my love, take my land, take me where I cannot stand
I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me
Take me out to the black, tell them I ain't comin' back
Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me

Wow Apprentice, that's a very long post

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did u copy it or wrote it urslef?

If you direct the question towards me: yes, I did write it myself . . .

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Take my love, take my land, take me where I cannot stand
I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me
Take me out to the black, tell them I ain't comin' back
Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me

I agree with your main point.... but having a user called Adolf isn't much evidence. How can you discriminate against people called Adolf just because there was one guy in history who was a facist bastard who was called Adolf. The second part stretches it a bit... but the first part is very nice! Maybe we can spam valve's email with it... lol... jk

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wow, you wrote that. That's pretty good.
I have experienced what you called the fanboy flaming, and the post deletion and account banning. I posted about how their subscriber agreement is inadequate and how I want valve to back up using their agreement how they are allowed to do what they do. Then a whole lot of "fanboys" flamed me. Then they deleted the thread and banned my account.
Valve never backed up what I asked them to. I also think that they deleted my account because my argument was winning against the "fanboys", and valve couldn't back it up. Easy solution, ban them.
So I think what we need to do is get something spread around to magazines about how valve are breaking their license agreement, get it in the big news. Maybe someone will take notice and prosecute.

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Stop BLOODY DOUBLE POSTING!!!! :angry1:

A majority of well operated forums don't allow the name "Adolf" or written in any variant to be registered and if it happens, then certain actions are being taken against it.

It's not only the name, it's a combination of factors that resulted me into stating that. I agree, the name alone isn't much evidence but it isn't the name alone. If you take the name, the forcing of content ("Do not automaticly update this game" means "Do not automaticly update this game" and not "We are forcing our content upon you, whether you like it or not") upon its users and the artificial, positive aspect in which VALVe employees and Steam forums moderators are attempting to create around VALVe and Steam results in such a view.

It's not the program that is terrible, it's the company that develops and operates it that needs to change certain things and really needs to listen towards its community, often known as the userbase . . .


That's what they do. They allow their fanboys to flame the crap out of you and if you come with valid points, your thread is being deleted and you are being banned. All VALVe wants on their precious Steam forums are mindless fanboys. Think about it, the horror of someone placing some question marks on what you are doing . . .


Can anyone remember when Fragmaster stopped his involvement with Planet Half-Life ?? At that time, Fragmaster wrote an article which stated a few things and VALVe's response was "I have no idea where Fragmaster gets his information", comming from the mouth or hand of Doug Lombardi . . .

If such a news would be spread, then VALVe will simply do the "innocent child" act again . . .

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Take my love, take my land, take me where I cannot stand
I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me
Take me out to the black, tell them I ain't comin' back
Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me

I suppose. But what if the problems with their subscriber agreement are brought to the attention of important people. Then someone can found a legally sound argument against valve and when valve get taken to court they can't just ban the judge.

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Stop BLOODY DOUBLE POSTING!!!! :angry1:

Then they will be faced by a lawsuit, which they'll desperately try to settle . . .

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Take my love, take my land, take me where I cannot stand
I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me
Take me out to the black, tell them I ain't comin' back
Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me

yes, but they might not be able to settle it. Then they will be screwed.

Example: can anyone tell me where it says they are allowed to ban my legitimate account because of other accounts they think I own that are being involved in illegal activity.

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Stop BLOODY DOUBLE POSTING!!!! :angry1: