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| Author: | Apprentice [ Saturday, 08 Jan 2005, 12:14 ] |
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jarro_2783 wrote: Example: can anyone tell me where it says they are allowed to ban my legitimate account because of other accounts they think I own that are being involved in illegal activity.
They can't, it's illigal according to many customers laws worldwide. Sue them and VALVe will have to prove in court that illigal activity was conducted on your legal account . . . |
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| Author: | jarro_2783 [ Saturday, 08 Jan 2005, 13:08 ] |
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really? Are you a lawer or something, you seem to know enough. So are you saying that their license agreement does not support what they did, and people all over the world can sue them. Let's get a massive lawsuit together where the whole world sues valve. |
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| Author: | Apprentice [ Saturday, 08 Jan 2005, 13:57 ] |
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jarro_2783 wrote: really? Are you a lawer or something, you seem to know enough. A lawyer: no, but I deal a lot with legal cases through my line of work. Besides that, everyone knows that EULA's isn't final, Germany is such example. Quote: So are you saying that their license agreement does not support what they did, and people all over the world can sue them.
Let's get a massive lawsuit together where the whole world sues valve. Basicly yes, but you'll have to be carefull with it . . . |
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| Author: | orikain [ Saturday, 08 Jan 2005, 15:03 ] |
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Cause maybe VALVe is so dumb that they believe that their own customers "supporters" are trying to get free games ..... And if they do that they should be in court a long time ago whit those 50,000 accounts ban lots of them i know used the cd-key ending whit FAY98 (something like that ) if they see that they ban you automaticaly your account and some of them sto- pped using the key like noob crackers like i was... But then if they ban someone who bought legal games whit a cd-key ending whit FAY98 than the guy will get ripped off for buying something that wasnt even worse BUYING! And then if the guy send an email to valve they wont do anything but if you have a purchase proof than they will do something. But if you dont have any or lost the purchase proof they will disable you account.. whitout having a purchase proof..... That is the reason why Valve should go in court whit those 50,000 persons account banned ( including people who has more than one account XD ) Gabe newell the fat fucker will just have to shut down steam and do something about the legitimate account .... |
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| Author: | Dirtie [ Tuesday, 11 Jan 2005, 18:18 ] |
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I'm sorry if you mistook me for a 'fanboy' but that is not the case. If I was I would not be here, I would've bought games from Valve (I only ever purchased czero) and I would not be helping out people around the forums. Sure Apprentice, you listed a lot of great points, but isn't it the truth that you would simply not be here if you didn't enjoy playing Valve games? I concede that Steam is not what it should be (and probably not what it was meant to be), but I wonder why this leads to Valve bashing. It is not constructive in any way. By saying 'Valve sucks' etc. etc. without reason to back it up all people are doing is showing immaturity and taking up uneeded space on the forums, perhaps that is why it goes down sometimes. Maybe instead of just stating 'Valve sucks' you should be giving suggestions or some sort of constructive criticism. Apprentice's posts in this thread are a prime example of what we maybe should be seeing. These are clearly the results of a calm, collected bit of thinking. |
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| Author: | Apprentice [ Wednesday, 12 Jan 2005, 07:08 ] |
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Dirtie wrote: Sure Apprentice, you listed a lot of great points, but isn't it the truth that you would simply not be here if you didn't enjoy playing Valve games? I used to enjoy VALVe games when they still worked and not flooded with cheaters if I'm able to get it working . . . Quote: I concede that Steam is not what it should be (and probably not what it was meant to be), but I wonder why this leads to Valve bashing. It is not constructive in any way. By saying 'Valve sucks' etc. etc. without reason to back it up all people are doing is showing immaturity and taking up uneeded space on the forums, perhaps that is why it goes down sometimes. Maybe instead of just stating 'Valve sucks' you should be giving suggestions or some sort of constructive criticism. Apprentices posts in this thread are a prime example. These are clearly the results of a calm, collected bit of thinking.
Simply stating 'VALVe sucks' is easy, even for the less-intelligent "fanboys" at the Steam forums and offcourse there will be people who blindly bash VALVe without good or any reason(s), but the problem with VALVe is they don't communicate with their userbase anymore. If a large issue is surfacing, VALVe decides to remain silent rather then to acknowledge the fact that one or two issues are happening and they are investigating it. People lose patience with a company if they feel that they are being ignored by the company and that will result in large scale bashings in which in VALVe's case fifty percent is justifiable . . . As I said earlier, VALVe really needs to learn how to communicate with its userbase and I fear that it will never happen. Their lack of skills in both programming and communicating will one day be fatal and their own arrogance is part of the major problem. Also, try to state the issues I've done earlier on the Steam forums and you'll get an IP ban, since VALVe and it's moderators will consider you as a 'forum troll' and deal according to that view . . . |
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| Author: | [ShkillZ] -=Andy_Big_Gang=- [ Wednesday, 12 Jan 2005, 08:24 ] |
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Everything what u guys said over here is defenetily interesting. But there is a big BUT ... did any of u read CAREFULLY the license agreement with VALVe ? From my own professional experience I can tell tht in 90% of law cases with big corporations they win ... it is really REALLY hard to get them to change something or to pay u for your losses due their misconduct of agreement ... the outcome of the lawsuit is more or less predictable ... u lose ... so unfortunately all we can do just sit here and deliberate on "Valve sux" ... |
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| Author: | jarro_2783 [ Wednesday, 12 Jan 2005, 15:48 ] |
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I suppose that is all we can do. I did read the license agreement very carefully. As far as I know they have violated it. Then the people that post good things on the forum, more than just "Valve suck", get banned because they know the poster is right. They also probably don't want posters bringing up a legal issue that everyone will notice. I think I'll take my chances with some newspapers and big internet magazines, they might run a story. |
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| Author: | [ShkillZ] -=Andy_Big_Gang=- [ Wednesday, 12 Jan 2005, 19:34 ] |
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All I can say ... I truly wish u a good luck ... |
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